Driver Arrested After Dispute with Cyclist
Bristow man charged with assault and aggressive driving
Vienna Police have arrested a man for allegedly intentionally striking a cyclist with his vehicle after a dispute on Maple Avenue while both were in motion.
John Arthur Thorpe, 52, of Bristow, was arrested Aug. 18 for assault and aggressive driving and taken to the Fairfax County Adult Detention Center, said Officer Gary Lose, VPD spokesperson. He was released on recognizance, according to the General District court online database.
A court date has been set for 9:30 a.m. Oct 15.
Around 6:30 p.m. Aug. 16, a cyclist believed a vehicle to be traveling too close to his bicycle as both traveled westbound on Maple Avenue near Nutley Street. The cyclist reported he began banging on the vehicle's window to urge the driver to move over.
Witnesses reported it appeared Thorpe intentionally struck the rear tire of the bicycle, causing the cyclist to fall.
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Me Me
3:52 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
"The cyclist reported he began banging on the vehicle's window..." and the DRIVER is arrested?!
seer32
6:09 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
Regardless of the cyclists actions, the driver assaulted someone with a deadly weapon. Banging on a window with a hand does not justify hitting someone with a ton of steel.
Frank Justice
9:06 pm on Saturday, April 6, 2013
UPDATE - Both charges against driver dropped. Look for Magistrate to issue warrants against bicyclist Jonathan Brown.
Brendan Burns
3:56 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
If the diver was so close the cyclist was able to bang his window then the cyclist was totally in the right to do it. That's not just dangerous, it's life threatening.
Frank Justice
9:07 pm on Saturday, April 6, 2013
UPDATE - Both charges against driver dropped. Look for Magistrate to issue warrants against bicyclist Jonathan Brown.
Sidney K.
11:22 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
These cyclists are INSANE and totally abuse the road when they share it with cars and such. I cannot tell you how many times I have approached a GREEN traffic light (my right of way) near my frequently traveled route, and some cyclist on a bike trail sees it is not his right of way, and doesn't even hesitate to floor it across the street seconds before I approach that crosswalk causing me to have to quickly stop my vehicle....Then they blame the drivers of the trucks, cars, etc saying its them and it is the cyclist...There needs to be designated areas for bike riding (not near traffic and main roads) where its only for bikes and no crossing of streets...they build skate parks why not outdoor bike arenas or something similar that is large enough to cover a large quantity of riders.....I understand we are all supposed to share the road but this is ridiculous already...
TheFactsNotFiction
12:22 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
We live in an increasingly busy road network. Cyclists and drivers need to obey all laws. But they don't. Drivers text, use smartphones, check email, do makeup and all sorts of crazy insane things. They also blow through red lights (an average of every 8th car my corner), stop signs (60% in my neighborhood) and speed (98% on my street). The roads are often used by commuters of all kinds, not just for recreation, and hence drivers and cyclists need to use them, and it's not against the law for a cyclist to do so. Like I said, everyone needs to obey the laws, and start getting along - no one user group "owns" the road.
Catherine Moran
1:10 pm on Wednesday, September 5, 2012
"they build skate parks why not outdoor bike arenas or something similar that is large enough to cover a large quantity of riders"
Because the outdoor bike arenas don't go anywhere. Most people on bikes, particularly during rush hours, are traveling somewhere, not just out for a fun ride or exercise.
John Smith1
5:51 am on Saturday, September 1, 2012
As an avid cyclist myself, I'm sorry to say that I must agree with those who point out that far too many cyclists are inconsiderate of motorists. I see it all the time. Too many cyclists insist on exercising their legal "right" to share the road with motorists, but then they fail to obey the same laws as motorists, such as stopping for red lights and stop signs, etc. And all too often they simply don't apply the time-proven "golden rule."
So I can't blame motorists (especially those who are not also cyclists themselves) for developing an antagonistic "attitude" toward cyclists. Of course that doesn't justify intentionally hitting a cyclist with a car, but it certainly behooves cyclists to be a bit more considerate. We reap what we sow. And riding a bike on Maple Avenue during rush hour? Not if you value your life. Sorry, but it's just common sense! Have you noticed how many motorists are talking on the phone and texting and eating and drinking and applying makeup and reading the newspaper and holding pets in their lap as they drive?
Skipper L.
6:35 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012
Good points; great posting making strong common sense remarks. I agree in that it all has to be shared but we experience and time have shown that we have arrogance and lack of consideration on both parts. The driver, right or wrong, should have exercised common sense and ignored that pounding and kept moving. He did not have to confront the cyclist by using his vehicle or confront the cyclist at all. He well could have caused more serious injury; possibly even death. It is not worth it.
Catherine Moran
12:53 pm on Wednesday, September 5, 2012
Are you kidding me?
"'Have you noticed how many motorists are talking on the phone and texting and eating and drinking and applying makeup and reading the newspaper and holding pets in their lap as they drive?"
Yes....but the solution to that problem isn't "bikes get off the road", it's "drivers follow the law". Sheesh.
Also, there are LOTS of cyclists who follow the law. A majority, I'd actually argue. But you only notice what stands out (human nature). I think a lot of drivers (not all but a lot) just plain old don't like sharing the road. They think it's their road. So anything that's annoying to the driver (cyclist taking full lane) is automatically "illegal", even if it's not.
Also, the right to the road is not a "right" it is actually a right. Unless otherwise posted (interstates etc), bikes are allowed on any road. Get used to it and get over it, or risk losing your privilege for driving (which is actually a privilege granted by the state in the form of a liscense, not a right).
Ann Cavazos
10:14 am on Saturday, September 1, 2012
The dangerous cyclists are the ones who draw your attention just like bad drivers catch your eye. The vast majority of drivers and cyclists are safe and responsible. Otherwise there would be exponentially more accidents.
As Vienna has become more urbanized, the number of bicycles sharing the road is increasing simply because it's a faster alternative to move through the Maple Ave corridor. And it's easier to park a bike than a car.
We have reached the maximum capacity for cars on Maple Avenue during large portions of the day. As we go forward as a community we need to look at Arlington County's example of combining multiple modes of public transportation, bikes, and walking to address our congested roads.
Drivers will have to rethink their approach to interacting with cyclists. The laws are clear. Bicycles have as many rights and responsibilities to be on the road as cars. And Maple Ave during rush hour--- cars move much less than 20 mph so a driver getting too close to a bike under that. slow speed situation is not paying attention. As for the cyclist, how else is he/she going to get a driver's attention especially with car windows up and radio on? I'd knock on the window too, better than landing on the pavement under the car's wheels.
Java Master
3:54 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012
I have had my share of bad experiences with inconsiderate and/or aggressive drivers on Maple Street and elsewhere-- whether on a bicycle or even while driving my own car! The roads are there for all to share, period! Why some drivers feel that their "rights" come before my own remains a mystery to me. Let the judge sort this one out and I hope the guilty party gets what for...
Skipper L.
6:28 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012
I believe the driver did wrong in his act against the bicyclist. He could caused a much greater injury or death with his action; common sense should have told him in the beginning that he did not hit cyclist and just ignore the banging and keep moving. What was done was done, but to intentionally confront the cyclist with his vehicle was both immature and irresponsible. I have been through such event with a cyclist and merely kept moving and ignored the pounding on my vehicle.
Rk
9:11 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012
Sounds like the driver was acting aggressively, we really don't know who started the confrontation. Regardless, the police have enough info to charge the driver, and if guilty, should suffer the consequences. I find it interesting that most comments say the driver should have ignored the cyclist, (commenter on original post said cyclist was also verbally threatening him, hearsay for now) and simply tried to move away. That may not have been possible in congested traffic. In retrospect that would have been the best option for the driver. I also wonder why the cyclist could not have backed away, slowed down, or otherwise distanced himself from an (alleged) aggressive driver, or one who he deemed to close to him. Certainly seems that would have been easier and more prudent for someone on a bike (considering the other person is in a car) then to escalate the situation by banging on his window. What if these were two cars? We've all dealt w/ aggressive, distracted, or plain idiot drivers. Last thing I would think to do is reach out and bang on their window, or try to confront them. Not in this day and age. I can't help but wonder what if this had been some senior citizen who just wasn't aware and suddenly there's a cyclist along side banging on the window. It could have turned out even worse. I hope the cyclist is ok and wish him a full recovery. If the driver was guilty of the charges, then he should be punished. That said, it appears more than enough blame to go around.
Amelie Krikorian
9:35 am on Sunday, September 2, 2012
There is not enough room on Maple Avenue for a driver to give a biker the required two feet of room. The lanes are just too narrow. I always try to move over into the left lane when I see a bicyclist in the right lane because I have a Pilot and it is pretty wide. Then to my frustration, when I stop at a light, the bicyclist passes me on the right and I end up having to move into the left again in the next block.
I think there is more of a back story to this than is being posted. The guy should not have hit the biker, but if the driver had repeatedly yielded and moved to the left only to be passed again on the right by the biker, I can see where he might have gotten frustrated and tried to block the biker from passing him on the right. Which doesn't give him the right to hit the biker, but frankly trying to ride a bike on Maple during rush hour seems suicidal to me.
Lory
8:35 pm on Monday, September 3, 2012
Too often it becomes a power struggle--sometimes with deadly consequences.
Joe cool
11:08 pm on Monday, September 3, 2012
Sounds like the biker was the aggressor to me. I am a biker and have respect for bikers, but he who strikes the vehicle of his own will is absolutely the aggressor under any circumstances. The cyclist could back off and cool the situation. I think the biker should be charged with aggressive driving and the driver of the car aquitted for self-defense.
Skipper L.
7:19 am on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
To Joe Cool: Thanks for response. I appreciated your comments and agree totally. This is not from the driver's point of view, but this confrontation did not need to happen. The biker may have been angry, but pounding on the car was not justified and only served to escalate a problem. As I tell my kids on occassion, it is better to be be the bigger person.
Wien
11:55 am on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
Aggressor or not (and I think most on here have agreed to cyclist was the aggressor or at least could've avoided escalating the situation), when does two wrongs make a right? No matter how aggressive someone may be, whether biker or driver, when does it become okay to strike someone or something with a vehicle? From what we know, the driver was not in a position to need to be using self defense -- verbally abused maybe, vehicle struck by cyclists hand yes -- but the car hit the bike in the rear tire, doesn't sound like the situation was escalating to "self defense" levels, not even close.
Sounds like one, or both, parties in this were aggressive and had chances to back off the situation. But that does not excuse striking a 20-pound bicycle from behind with one ton of steel. Cyclists can (and are) charged in many collisions with vehicles, but in this case the driver was well out of line in their response to the initial contact (whether justified or not).
It's disgusting that the cyclist/driver debate has gotten to a point where people try to justify striking a cyclist with a car. Nothing the cyclist could have done, short of having a firearm, would justify using a car as a battering ram.
TheFactsNotFiction
12:07 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
It's not against the law to alert the driver that he's not obeying the law and endangering other road users he's passing. The law in Virginia requires drivers to pass with sufficient safe space - and currently in Virginia that's at least 2 feet (see http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-839) If a cyclist can easily put their hand on the window of a car, that car is easily closer than two feet. If the driver intentionally hits the cyclist, that's not self defense (and an argument wouldn't hold up in court), that's aggression meant to harm another person - which is why the driver is arrested. It's a pretty open an shut case - you can't use your car to hit other people.
Rk
12:35 am on Wednesday, September 5, 2012
There is not enough room for a bicycle and car to travel side by side in the same lane on Maple Ave. and somehow maintain a minimum 2 foot separation. And how do we know the driver was passing the car? Maybe the cyclist was doing the passing. Cyclists often pass cars in the same lane, weave thru lines of cars, or ride to the front of the lines at stop lights. I see it all the time. How many times have u seen a bike pass a line of cars to get to the front at a traffic light, sometimes between the rows, and than ride thru against the light when there is an opening. Or from the curb take off across the intersection in front of a car trying to turn. Motorcycles and cars can't do that.., yet bikers think it's their "right". Sharing the road w/ cyclists is the law were told, flaunting the laws and rules is not. Do cyclists have to pass a written and rode test, pay for and carry a license, purchase insurance to use the rode?? Do they need to have working turn signals, front headlights, a legal horn, etc.?? Do they get, and pay for yearly safety inspections? These are all things drivers and motorcyclists are required to do "by law" because its for all our safety. If cyclists have the right by law to use the roads, why are they not subject to the same requirements? If its a right, why not let roller bladders, foot powered scooters and skate boarders use the roads? Are they really that much different??
TheFactsNotFiction
10:51 am on Wednesday, September 5, 2012
" There is not enough room for a bicycle and car to travel side by side in the same lane on Maple Ave. and somehow maintain a minimum 2 foot separation. "
There's no law that says bicycles and cars must use the same lane. Like anything in front of a driver, if it's going slower, you pass them, and in this case, there's a lane to the left which is appropriate for drivers to use.
" Cyclists often pass cars in the same lane, weave thru lines of cars, or ride to the front of the lines at stop lights. I see it all the time. How many times have u seen a bike pass a line of cars to get to the front at a traffic light, sometimes between the rows, and than ride thru against the light when there is an opening. "
There is no law in VA that says a motorcyclist or bicycle can't pass a car in the same lane. Is it safe? I'd say no. Drivers often pass cars recklessly, weaving through lanes and cutting off other drivers, running red lights, rolling through stop signs, texting, talking on the phone, and speeding. I see it all the time. How many times have you seen a driver or motorcyclist break the law? Constantly. Should everyone - drivers, motorcyclists, and cyclists obey the law? Absolutely. Should there be more enforcement? Absolutely.
TheFactsNotFiction
10:53 am on Wednesday, September 5, 2012
" Do cyclists have to pass a written and rode test, pay for and carry a license, purchase insurance to use the rode?? "
Many drivers unlawfully drive on the roads without insurance (which is why most of us have insurance to cover other drivers that don't - it's usually included in your plan). Many drivers still drive on the road even with suspended licenses or no licenses. I bet less than 50% of drivers couldn't answer this question: What is the state speed limit law in business zones? That question and many others like it are on the state road test, and I bet you if you asked most people to take the test without preparation they'd get a surprising number of answers wrong. Should cyclists know what the rules of the road are, and follow them? Absolutely. Drivers should as well.
TheFactsNotFiction
10:54 am on Wednesday, September 5, 2012
" Do they need to have working turn signals, front headlights, a legal horn, etc.?? "
Cyclists are required to use hand signals when turning. Drivers are required to be able to recognize those hand signals - that's law. Drivers are required to put their hand outside their window and use hand signals in the event your turn signals don't work. Most states require cyclists to use headlights and rear reflectors or lights during darkness hours. Different states have different rules about horns. Horns are mostly useless - when I drive half the time the idiot driver who's about to change lanes into me without looking can't hear my car horn because his window is up and his stereo is blasting.
" Do they get, and pay for yearly safety inspections? "
Many cars and trucks don't pass inspection - and many states don't require you to pass inspection for up to 2 years. So a car or truck could be completely unsafe and yet still be on the road for 2 years.
" If its a right, why not let roller bladders, foot powered scooters and skate boarders use the roads? Are they really that much different?? "
All of these road users have the right to use the road. Should they? Most of them would probably say it's not safe. Should everyone - drivers, cyclists, motorcyclists, skate boarders, scooter users, pedestrians - everyone - should we all just get along, follow the rules, be mindful of each other, be patient, share the road, and not endanger the safety of others? Absolutely.
cvienna
8:27 am on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
Commenters should understand that cyclists often knock on the window of a vehicle that is encroaching on the cyclist's space (e.g. pushing the cyclist into the curb or other hazard) as a method of alerting the driver to the cyclist's presence. Think of it as the equivalent of honking your horn.
Crickey7
10:44 am on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
As someone who has literally been pushed off the road by a driver, sometimes you have to do whatever you have to do to get the driver's attention to tell them to back off. The law requires a minimum distance a driver must keep. Sounds to me like he was failing to keep it, endangered the cyclist, and didn't take kindly to being told to obey the law.
Maybe the cyclist could have been a "bigger person". By the driver was wrong here, from start to finish.
TheFactsNotFiction
11:52 am on Tuesday, September 4, 2012
An average of every 8th car at the light near my house runs the red light. And that's not including the speeding going on (for that I'd say 95% of drivers are breaking the law and speeding). Everyone needs to obey the law - and that includes DRIVERS just as much as cyclists. So quit your whining.
Michael
11:45 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
No one is so important that they should put a cyclist in danger to get where they need to go a few seconds earlier. Chill out and wait for a safe chance to pass.