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Residents 'Disgusted' Over Tysons Ramp Proposal

At open house, residents say there is much confusion, few answers over plans for road construction

More than 200 residents came to a Fairfax County Department of Transportation open house Thursday to oppose , calling the plans "disgusting" for their potential effects on protected woodlands and accusing county officials of putting developer demands ahead of local homeowners.

Not one among more than two dozen speakers — including a representative from developer JBG Rosenfeld Retail — offered support for new ramps from the road or an extension of Boone Boulevard.

Residents, who ranged from environmental planners and doctors to stay-at-home parents and home association leaders, filled tables and standing space inside Westbriar Elementary School’s cafeteria and extended into the hallway, cheering at the many suggestions to abandon all three of the options county planners had put on the table.

JBG's Jay Klug, whose company's Sheraton Hotel would be encircled by a new ramp and access road under one of the proposals, said the developer also preferred what the crowd dubbed "Option 0" — leaving the area as is.

"People don’t show up like this unless they are so concerned that you are going to pave over their woods, their streets, their home," said Tysons Green Civic Association Pamela Konde, whose organization represents about 350 homes in neighborhoods bordering Tysons Corner.

"The information we’ve been given has been changing. … There is absolutely no way it helps pedestrian access to have a highway wrapped around park land. This never should have been on the table," she said.

Vienna Mayor Jane Seeman said it was not clear how Boone Boulevard would connect with or go around Route 123, the town's main thoroughfare, or where the extension would lead at all.

"There's something missing here ... the whole thing was very confusing," Seeman said. "They don't have many answers."

Protecting Green Space

The plans for extensions and ramps come as part of the Comprehensive Plan for the Tysons Corner Urban Center, which includes expanding the transportation network surrounding it to reduce traffic and improve mobility for cars and buses, but also bicyclists and pedestrians.

County planner Sayed Nabavi told the crowd the county developed nine scenarios based on analysis done between June and August 2011, along with traffic data from 2008. They included providing upgrades to existing Route 7 and Spring Hill Road interchanges, but many of them were not cost-effective based on the minimal capacity added, Nabavi said.

They were left with three plans, presented Thursday night:

  • Preferred Option One: Additional ramps to the Dulles Toll Road from Greensboro Drive and Boone Boulevard
  • Option Two: An Urban Frontage Road
  • Preferred Option Three: Ramps from Boone Boulevard and Greensboro and Jones Branch drives

The options would connect with an extension of Boone Boulevard, county planners said. The extension would eventually connect to a planned grid of streets throughout the future urban center; plans for that grid have not been finalized.

"It's very difficult to understand what the effect is with each of these offramps — it can’t be considered individually from the grid of streets and to not show those connections and what goes forward I think is deceptive," resident Michael Sundius said.

"The reason for Boone Boulevard is not the ramp. The reason is to make sure you have movement within Tysons," said Nabavi, who added it would create less gridlock and help a larger transportation network flow more easily.

But all of the options are likely to destroy a stream and the lone remaining natural forest that gives the area its charm — and also acts as a natural buffer between neighborhoods and schools and major highways and big-box retailers, Konde said.

Putting a road through the area is not only environmentally unsound, Konde said, but also goes against the comprehensive plan, which says "stream valley parks should not only be protected from development and infrastructure impacts, but be restored and enhanced."

Tysons Spring Run, a stream that flows into Difficult Run before joining the Potomac River near Great Falls, is one of the Resource Protection Areas (RPA) of "environmentally sensitive land" which drain into the Potomac River, and eventually, the Chesapeake Bay.

"Tysons is going to happen ... but we fought for that green buffer. The residents fought for that green space, and [the planners] can't violate that," Seeman said.

Imagining 2050

The goal also didn't resonate with residents who said was to get 150,000 cars out of Tysons every day.

"You are planning a road system that will make it even easier for 150,000 cars to get into Tysons every day," one man said. "It makes no sense."

FCDOT's Daniel Rathbun said the density of the area will eventually be much higher, and despite anticipated reductions of the number of cars on the road, traffic will increase overall simply because of expected population growth.

"It comes down to, is it fair to design a city based on what traffic will be 40 years from now?" Klug said. "That's the real question."

Nabavi said the county conducted a traffic analysis of the area, including delay times, travel times and merge conditions of current roads. The "no-build" option ranked low compared to the others in terms of how driving conditions in the area would improve.

No analysis had been done to determine how the area might improve with an implemented grid of streets, Nabavi said.

At the most basic level, residents said they felt like the county was choosing development over local homeowners and taxpayers.

"You cannot get into our community with a fire truck in the required 12 minutes with Wal-Mart and bridges and two sets of roads. We’ll have kids that will wait for a school bus on the ramp of a toll road. We have a real safety issue nobody is addressing," one resident of Westwood Village said.

"Instead of a buffer, we want a destination that we can walk to. A two-lane road in each direction is going to prevent anyone here from riding a bike or walking to the metro station and so we’re creating more traffic because if we want to go anywhere we have to get in our car. I just don’t see creating this buffer in between our community and Tysons as a good idea,” Sundius said.

Nabavi said county planning staff would meet with landowners, homeowners associations and representatives from the Virginia Department of Transportation, the Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority and Dominion Power this summer. A second public information meeting is scheduled for the fall; staff hopes to complete the study this winter.

Until then, residents said, their frustration would continue.

"Someone is going to have to work a lot harder than you did this evening to convince me we need to build [any of this]," one resident said.

kirk June 02, 2012 at 01:41 AM
Kirk, Vienna resident - The county planner’s presentation and response to questions were disingenuous. They would not address the issue of the environmental annihilation that would occur with a 90+ foot wide avenue running down the middle of the only remaining forested wetlands in Tysons.
Tim June 02, 2012 at 02:49 AM
I'm sorry I was unable to attend. From what I gather, having spoken to some that did, it is apparent that the presentation was, to put it kindly, unconvincing. The entire Tysons Corner project has been a nightmare from the start with developers, County Boards, and other powerful entities dismissing the desires of the citizenry. I was glad to hear that our elected officials were in attendance too. The fact that our own County Board was unable to stand up to the metro-above-ground foolishness doesn't bode well for that same body having the spine to stand up against rampant unrbanization. Still, should any of them choose to offer support, claim that their "hands are tied" as Jerry Connally once said, or even offer tacit approval for this travesty, rest assured they will be ousted. Ms. Hudgins et al should know that this community will not support representatives that don't support us.
J Anderson June 02, 2012 at 12:23 PM
Wait...I swear there is a Metro line being built in Tysons? Am I crazy or is that raised train track actually part of some Disney Monorail attraction? Yet they now want to build MORE roads? Something seems quite amiss here? And another thing to consider is that the Vienna communities outside the beltway have been shut out for bus access to any of these new Metro stations because some community members were worried about them - reasons unclear. Everyone I've spoken with has said they'd use a bus to get to the Tysons stations so they could get to work downtown....but as of right now those folks are NOT going to use these metro stations and instead drive in or head to Dunn Loring or Vienna metros. Patch needs to follow up on this bus need and objection because right now I have NO plans to use Tysons Metro - too far to walk, no place to park and no bus. I guess I could ride my bike but with these new roads - I'm not sure that is wise.
Navid Roshan June 02, 2012 at 02:23 PM
As a former transportation engineer and a resident of Tysons Corner I am disgusted by this project. Another example of preferring commuters over residents. Do we really need 400 new parallel parking spaces (causing an additional 16' of right of way and pavement)? Tysons already has 8 times more surface parking than all of Arlington. These jokers who spout "imagine people not cars" need to stop saying the words and starting doing some actions. Start with saying no to VDOTs ideas of traffic relief. If the commuters hate that extra 5 minutes they can take the 4 billion dollar metro that was built for them. And if they dont want to do that they can take the 14 different bus connectors that come to Tysons. And if they dont like that, heaven forbid they could actually live in Tysons. Wasn't that the whole point of all these improvements? To change the 10:1 ratio? STOP PROMOTING COMMUTING FROM MILES AWAY FAIRFAX!
Lisa Westcott June 02, 2012 at 03:15 PM
Option "0" is the only real option. To destroy wetlands where eagles, deer and blue heron congregate would be devastating. We do not need our area to look like Ballston, but obviously this is what FXC DOT has in mind. The Wal-Mart was, what I thought what the worst idea ever, now I know I was wrong...the RAMPS are!
Charles Leven June 02, 2012 at 04:44 PM
I couldn't agree more with you about the busses, and I've filled out surveys saying the same thing. Beulah Road, for example, is no longer some country trail, but has become a major thoroughfare, and yet there are no metrobusses on it to take people to the Metro or anywhere else. What kind of nonsense is that?
Navid Roshan June 02, 2012 at 08:46 PM
The very development that you guys are saying is "causing this requirement" is the very one saying THEY DONT WANT IT. Read the story again, JBG's Jay Klug, whose company's Sheraton Hotel would be encircled by a new ramp and access road under one of the proposals, said the developer also preferred what the crowd dubbed "Option 0" — leaving the area as is. JBG, the story doesnt mention, is the developer doing Tysons West and the "walmart". They want to do ALOT more than just the walmart, they want to provide a lot of residential development which would help change the 10:1 ratio which is the real cause of the traffic in Tysons. The one who is stopping them is VDOT who says NO, we have to keep the same conditions as are right now as far as land use (where people live and work). THERE ARE TOO MANY people who work in tysons and too few who actually live here.
Navid Roshan June 02, 2012 at 08:51 PM
Lisa, don't get the two things confused. The urban development has nothing to do with this plan. They need this interchange to help people continue to live outside of Tysons. If people were living in Tysons why would they need a DTR ramp to get to Herndon. The real problem here is we need to tell commuters and DOTs in this area to stop "fixing" things. Traffic will help people make better decisions about what they want out of life. Ballston SHOULD be what we are trying to do. Go look at a map of Tysons and a map of Ballston. Ballston has 25% of the paved area as Tysons does. Ballston employs roughly the same number of people as Tysons and has NONE of the traffic issues that Tysons does. Why? Because they stopped allowing VDOT make their sizing criteria and design requirements. The more you fight against FIXING the discrepancy in the number of residents and jobs the more the traffic will keep funneling in from the outer suburbs, through your neighborhoods, and requiring onramps to built over your heads. http://thetysonscorner.com/before-its-a-crisis-a-petition-for-route-123/
Louise Moore June 03, 2012 at 11:59 AM
There is another event scheduled for June 4th at Westbriar elmentary. It's listed as an "open house," to discuss these issues - scheduled by the "Transforming Tysons" project, by FFX county. In the link here, you can watch their video, which heavily emphasizes that Tyson's is envisioned to be a walking community. The metro stations won't even have parking lots. It would seem that the proposed new toll ramp is not in line with their stated goals... besides the fact that it shouldn't happen because of the environmental impact, disruption to residents and betrayal of promises that the woods and stream here would be protected. http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/tysons/
Beau Dure June 04, 2012 at 01:27 PM
Just figured I'd pile on here in case any planners are reading. Basically, as this plan has been described to residents, no one has ever suggested that the whole thing hinges on paving over one of the last remaining green spaces and the last buffer between Tysons and nearby neighborhoods. To turn around now and say that it does is like selling a new car and then tacking on $5,000 for "undercoating" at the last minute. Except worse, because the damage from destroying this area can't be undone. I enjoyed working in Tysons, and I still enjoy living in Vienna. It's a great area. But at some point, the planners need to be realistic about how much they're building. How much office space is vacant in the area now? And how many people are living out in Loudoun County because there's no place to find in the area? Shouldn't Tysons swing the residential-to-office pendulum in the other direction? And wouldn't that help with the traffic flow?
J J Madden June 04, 2012 at 09:05 PM
The area in Option 3 that would be destroyed by a ramp is "Ashgrove Lane," a multi-purpose trail which leads from the Spring Hill Metro station to all the neighborhoods toward northern Vienna, the Wolf Trap vicinity and Great Falls. Last year, it was identified by local residents as a top-priority bicycle/pedestrian route to Tysons Metrorial. A picture of the trail is pictured at 4 mins. 54 seconds into this presentation to Leadership Fairfax about sustainable Tysons transportation. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xAPeDF5veo
Mark Harnet September 06, 2012 at 04:32 PM
Why all the infrastructure for an express lane on 495 and nada to alleviate congestion at the toll plaza (dulles access road is mostly empty)?!!

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