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PatchChat Live: Video Surveillance In Fairfax County High Schools

Join us at 1 p.m. Friday as we discuss the new proposal with school board members, principals, community advocates

Next month, the Fairfax County School Board will vote on a program that would give high school principals the ability to install video surveillance cameras inside their buildings.

The debate has pitted principals who believe the system could curb theft and discipline issues against local activists and community members who say the program is ineffective and violates student rights.

The Fairfax County High School Principals Association and the schools’ Department of Facilities and Transportation Services first brought the proposal before the school board The principals, who the school board then charged with gathering feedback from PTSAs on the issue, presented their findings to the board on Monday, reporting Two — Langley and Annandale high schools — opposed it. Four high schools reported their communities were split on the issue, while two others took no position.

Despite the community support principals spoke about Monday, certain questions still remain, some school board members said at Monday's meeting: what process principals must follow to have cameras installed in their schools, how the tapes would be reviewed and whether students' opinions are being considered.

Join us at 1 p.m. Friday to discuss the proposal, outstanding questions and more with school board member Dan Storck, Lee High School Principal Abe Jeffers and Michele Menapace of Fairfax Zero Tolerance Reform.

Can't make Friday's chat? Email your questions to erica.hendry at patch.com before the chat and we'll include it in the discussion.

Nicole Trifone reported for this story.

Laurie Dodd November 17, 2011 at 11:51 am
I would like to thank Dan Storck for recognizing that the community has not yet had its say on this issue. The claim that parents supported installation of surveillance cameras is manufactured, I believe. I personally have not heard from any parents who feel that these cameras are more necessary to schools than smaller classroom size, additional classroom materials, or other potential improvements. Spying on our students sends the wrong message. Let's take the time to hear more from parents on this question, rather than pushing it through with the current school board.
Will Radle November 17, 2011 at 01:05 pm
Thank Dan Storck (Mt Vernon) & Sandy Evans (Mason) for recognizing the SB should not rush this issue. At least 4 SB members will hopefully join them in recognizing the community has not been properly heard on this issue.
We do NOT need to push a decision before the new SB takes office.
Rachael November 17, 2011 at 02:56 pm
I am a junior at Madison high school and all of us here hate this proposal. They are trying to force us to vote yes by saying we would be allowed to use our ipods during school if theyget to install cameras. Many of my teachers have said that they hate this idea of cameras, but the school won't allow them to talk. Everyone is trying to vote against it but our principal won't listen.
Will Radle November 17, 2011 at 03:01 pm
Rachael, we are all equal - we just have different responsibilities. Thank you for sharing your insight on this issue. Your perspective is very important. Persons in positions of leadership not wanting to listen is a challenge we are working to overcome together. Thank you!
Hurri Cane November 17, 2011 at 03:19 pm
Ah but Tisdadt said costs would not come out of public money and there is are some proffers. He referred to school accounts so what would those account be? If not filled by public money are they from PTSA, PTO, boosters? I would think not and pity us when FCPS doesn't consider money collected from residential property taxes as public money. This is a larger issue than current parents.
Laurie Dodd November 17, 2011 at 03:45 pm
After contacting several school board members to share my opposition to the Surveillance Camera proposal, I have heard from Tina Hone, who says she cannot support the current proposal, believing that it may create a false sense of security in schools, that community input has not been effectively sought, and that it is wrong to push for "law and order" tactics when so much work is being done to reform the tenor and tone of school discipline. I believe Stuart Gibson is opposed to the proposal because it infringes on civil liberties, though I hope he will speak for himself here on Patch, as he often does. I hope other readers will share whatever information they have about school board views on this question.
Laurie Dodd November 17, 2011 at 03:47 pm
The principals' association says they can pay for this out of their discretionary funds, I believe. I'd like to know the source of that money, and other potential uses instead of cameras. The schools have many other needs that deserve higher priority than cameras.
Will Radle November 17, 2011 at 04:11 pm
So we may have 4 SB members already who will vote to genuinely listen to parents, teachers & students. Hopefully, Mr. Gibson will support a better process at each high school rather than seek to squash the discussion.
A. Will Radle, Jr. Creating a Culture of Listening http://fairfaxstation.patch.com/blog_posts/creating-a-culture-of-listening FairfaxAdvocates@gmail.com http://YouTube.com/WillRadle1
janet otersen November 17, 2011 at 06:08 pm
I also would like to applaud Dan Storck's leadership and common sense on this issue. We have 6 new incoming SB members-many who have expressed opposition to the cameras-their voice should be heard. This decision is best left for the new board in January.
I also find it troubling that after months of data, nobody in FCPS has told us how these cameras will be paid for. Monople, proffer, vending, parking, CIP....did they leave anything out?? Let's get some answers before the "community" is expected to make an informed decision.
Mike November 17, 2011 at 07:04 pm
Cameras are only as good as the maintenance they are given. I suspect that at a given incident, the proper administrative tasks were not done to ensure the camera was on or the storage method was available to actually capture something. School administrators are boobs at such things.
Steve L November 17, 2011 at 08:12 pm
Wow that is the crappiest bribe I've ever heard of. And that only benefits rich kids anyway. And although the school might allow you to use iPods the teachers certainly won't.
Will Radle November 17, 2011 at 09:01 pm
The stance of new SB members on this issue is irrelevant; more time is needed because parents, teachers & students have not been heard.
Emily November 17, 2011 at 11:40 pm
Hi Rachael - You say the school won't allow teachers to talk. Do you know if the administration is threatening them? I have heard that many teachers at Madison are afraid to speak out on issues b/c of the principal. The principal never listens to anyone about anything at Madison. Somehow he is convinced the kids really like him, apparently b/c he thinks they aren't smart enough to see through the fact that he makes up his mind about things and then asks the kids what they think without any intention of changing his mind.
Heather Barber November 18, 2011 at 02:05 am
When you don't have the answers to the questions being asked, the reason is most likely either:
a) they have them but don't want you to know what they are b) they don't actually have them so can't provide them OR c) they are working on "creating" their own versions of them
MBH November 18, 2011 at 03:18 am
I would encourage anoyone who has concerns to contact their principal directly. I remain opposed but after a quick call to the principal of my children's school I also realize there is a lot of misinformation out there on this issue.
Will Radle November 18, 2011 at 03:27 am
Whether blue, red, green or purple, people of our community want transparent, accountable government.
Mark November 18, 2011 at 03:47 am
MBH - Do you mind saying which school you contacted?
janet otersen November 18, 2011 at 02:18 pm
As a Lee parent, I will comment on the "community engagement" process at our school. A KIT message was sent out to all parents announcing an "All For Lee" meeting. These are meeting that include PTA, Band and Sports Boosters, etc. It is a way of getting a larger turnout and consolidating all the meetings. The KIT message did not state that the cameras would be discussed. PTA meetinga at Lee are not well attended. I went to one late last year because the principal was going to discuss school discipline and I wanted to ensure that his statements were accurate. Other then me and my spouse, the attendees included the principal, Pta Pres and PTA recording secretary. At that meeting, the principal, Abe Jeffers, stated that expulsions are required by VA law---which of course is false and I corrected him. Willful ignorance or not, I am not sure,but these engagement meetings often involve false or misleading data and the camera discussion is no different. If parents are provided accurate and balanced information0we would see fewer schools supporting this proposal. If I had the time, I could go door-to door and get 500 signatures in the Lee community on a petition opposing cameras--those 500 would far exceed the 24 people who spoke for Lee at the meeting.
Mike Kane November 18, 2011 at 04:55 pm
Cameras are a total invasion of privacy. And yes they are a 'feel good' measure.
School vouchers would solve this problem. Parents wouldn't be forced to send their children to the closest geographically located school, and could choose which school best met their child's educational needs. If a school placed cameras inside it's building, and parents didn't want their children being filmed, they could send their children to a different school without cameras, and vice versa.
hilarie malmberg November 20, 2011 at 05:57 pm
First--two questions: I'd like to know the name of the contractor that benefits from sale of these cameras to our schools. Why are we so enamored of cameras as a shortcut to good discipline and parenting? What next? Teachers replaced by computerized teaching programs and robots?
As for principals discretionary funds, I believe all FCPS money comes from us, the citizens of Fairfax County, Virginia, and the U.S. I oppose these cameras for the very reason they are an invasion of privacy that is reminiscent of tactics used by dictators of totalitarian regimes. A free society, needs to run on sound policy of justice, freedom, and trust. As a South Lakes HS parent, I vote a resounding"No!". We need to "teach our children well" by modeling justice through sound governance. We, as a society are supposed to model and teach that in the U.S., citizens have certain unalienable rights. What do our students see when parents and FCPS teachers/principals advocate for surveillance systems? We lead by example; therefore, do we sow the seeds of fear and distrust? Or do we encourage just behavior by providing opportunities for reasonable expression and personal grow through sound educational leadership and parenting. I vote "No!" to this shortcut solution and the waste of money; I vote "No" to surveillance cameras in our public schools.
janet otersen November 21, 2011 at 11:41 pm
In response to Hilarie's question about which companies will benefit from this expenditure:
ADT proposed 2 cameras, wiring, labor costs for $5200 ESI, from VA Beach, proposes the server/storage at a cost of $2600. This is where the $8000 estimate comes from for the cafeterias. I agree completely with your other comments--keep up the fight!
Will Radle November 22, 2011 at 04:27 pm
Yesterday I asked SB members to actively listen to our community. In past 4 years we increased students per teacher, cut education funding, and lowered take home pay of teachers year after year.
Throughout the county, people are expressing a consistent message. They do not feel heard. A shadow of insularity, division and power politics permeates our culture. I asked the SB to not move forward with their decision unless they are confident that parents, teachers and students have been effectively heard. A. Will Radle, Jr. Creating a Culture of Listening http://fairfaxstation.patch.com/blog_posts/creating-a-culture-of-listening FairfaxAdvocates@gmail.com http://YouTube.com/WillRadle1
Laurie Dodd November 22, 2011 at 05:40 pm
I agree that parents have not been heard by this SB. Most members I contacted about this issue did not bother to acknowledge me. Neither did the principal, though he told the SB that his parents support the plan (despite my objections, and how many others?) The local paper says Strauss wants to vote in December. She is working AGAINST the wishes of parents and is undermining efforts to reform FCPS disciplinary procedures by pushing for a quick vote. I hope other SB members will stop this railroad!

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